I'd be against both suggestions. With all due respect to Mark, the balance statistics are statistically meaningless because the two sample groups are dependent on each other. And even if they were meaningful, they would have a margin of error. So, we couldn't reliably implement either suggestion, since suggestion 2, again, relies on which teams are playing your set of questions. Good teams - your chances of a zero are lower. 'Rebuilding' teams - and your chances are greater.<div>
<br></div><div><div>Besides, do we really want more games to end in ties?</div><div><br></div><div>Evan<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2011/4/3 Richard Leong <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:arkayel@hotmail.com">arkayel@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="EN-CA" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi all;</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Since the issue of League rankings has been opened for discussion, I would like to mention a couple of other suggestions just to see if they generate any traction with any other members. If not, then I'll just chock it up to my OCD.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">1. It would be nice if the results of the games could somehow incorporate the imbalance in the questions from side to side. Even though the question makers attempt to provide balance, experience has shown that sometimes their efforts are unsuccessful. I would propose that if the winning team's score does not exceed their opponent's score by more than their "side advantage" (or the corollary that the losing team's deficit is less than their side's "disadvantage") then the game be declared a tie. </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">2. My second suggestion has to do with the "impossible question". If there is a game in which all teams score zero to a specific question, then that question is deemed impossible and all the team zeros are changed to one for that question.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I realize that both of these changes may change the outcome of individual games from when the players finish the night, but the same can be said for protests. In a sense, both of these suggestions are "automatic protests"</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Just some food for thought and discussion.</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Richard Leong</span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt"> <a href="mailto:inquisition-bounces@cfaj.ca" target="_blank">inquisition-bounces@cfaj.ca</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:inquisition-bounces@cfaj.ca" target="_blank">inquisition-bounces@cfaj.ca</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Shannon Kari<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 30, 2011 09:11</span></p><div class="im"><br><b>To:</b> Toronto's co-operative quiz league<br></div><b>Subject:</b> [CI] scoring system<p></p></div></div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
</p><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:black">-in my view, it just doesn’t make sense for the playoff spots to be decided by total points instead</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt">
<span style="color:black">of wins and losses. The NHL doesn’t go by total goals to determine who is in the playoffs.</span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:black">Can this be changed for the next season?</span></p>
</div><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> </span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> <a href="mailto:jimslotek@bell.net" title="jimslotek@bell.net" target="_blank">Jim Slotek</a> </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> Wednesday, March 30, 2011 7:58 AM</span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> <a href="mailto:inquisition@cfaj.ca" title="inquisition@cfaj.ca" target="_blank">inquisition@cfaj.ca</a> </span></p>
</div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt;background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"> Re: [CI] question about hi-tech</span></p>
</div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:black"> </span></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:36.0pt"><span style="color:black">I've used it as well on my Mac. Very simple.<br>
<br>> Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2011 02:38:45 -0400<br>> From: <a href="mailto:jeremy@kamper.ca" target="_blank">jeremy@kamper.ca</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:inquisition@cfaj.ca" target="_blank">inquisition@cfaj.ca</a><br>
> Subject: Re: [CI] question about hi-tech<br>> <br>> Fwiw, I've never had any trouble using Audacity on a Mac.<br>> <br>> On 2011/03/30 12:28 AM, Ed Piwowarczyk wrote:<br>> > Hi, Tim!<br>> > In doing our audio rounds, we ripped tracks from our own personal CDs<br>
> > onto our personal laptops or PCs and edited snippets using a free<br>> > program called Audacity, downloadable from the Internet. Very easy to<br>> > use. However, Audacity will not work with Macs.<br>
> > Note that the MP3 players the league has won't play Mac-formatted clips.<br>> > Clips will have to be MP3 or WAV files. Those were what worked and what<br>> > played when we were setting the questions.<br>
> > Good luck with your question-setting.<br>> > Cheers, Ed (Five Guys Named Moe)<br>> ><br>> > -----Original Message----- From: tim & pat<br>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:56 PM<br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:inquisition@cfaj.ca" target="_blank">inquisition@cfaj.ca</a><br>> > Subject: [CI] question about hi-tech<br>> ><br>> > Hi:<br>> ><br>> > we, the Mods, are setting Qs for the upcoming season.<br>
> ><br>> > Can any of you who have set questions recently and are more familiar<br>> > with this interweb highway thing advise on how to get downloadable music<br>> > files for the audio round? Did you all just copy from your personal<br>
> > collection of CDs and downloaded tunes? Is there a reliable way of<br>> > getting snippets without paying the 99 cents?<br>> ><br>> > Advice appreciated.<br>> ><br>> > Thanks,<br>> ><br>
> > Tim<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > <a href="mailto:patimac@fastmail.fm" target="_blank">patimac@fastmail.fm</a><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>
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